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Canadians Unite In 1 Million March 4 Children | Kamel El-Cheikh
September 20, 2023

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Truth Talks with Dr. Ann
Truth Talks with Dr. Ann
Canadians Unite In 1 Million March 4 Children | Kamel El-Cheikh

Have Canadian parents FINALLY had enough of the indoctrination and sexualization of their children in the public school system? In today’s episode of Truth Talks, Dr. Ann speaks with 1 Million March 4 Children organizer, Kamel El-Cheikh. They discuss the mission of parents coming together from coast to coast on September 20, 2023 to protest the dangerous ideologies being thrust upon the children, as well as parental rights being stripped from those who have their best interest – the parents! Kamel El-Cheikh is a Muslim businessman who has been involved in activism all of his life. He is leading the way in uniting parents to take back their rights and protect their own children from gender ideologies. You can find Kamel and more information on the 1 Million March 4 Children at https://handsoffourkids.ca and https://millionmarch4children.squarespace.com/

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Dr. Ann Gillies (00:13):

Welcome to Truth Talks with Dr. Anne. I’m so excited to be with you again today, and I have a really special guest by the name of Kamel El-Cheikh. I’m going to introduce him in a moment, but first I want you to take a look at the website. It’s called handsoffourkids.ca. That’s where you can find this. And this is the website for the 1 Million March 4 Children happening in Canada and in several US cities on September 20th, 2023. This is going to be a pivotal moment in Canada. I encourage you to go to the website and check it out and to see where in your location this march is happening. I encourage every parent, every teacher, any person who has the best interests of our children in mind to come out to protect our children from a very radical indoctrination in our education system. Well, let’s go to our special guest. Now, welcome, Kamel. Thank you for being here with us. And you just actually flew back into Canada last night, but we’re going to talk a little bit about, I want to get to know you a little more and if you’re willing, and we’ll talk a little bit about your past, what you did. You live in Ottawa, Ontario, right?


I grew up in Ottawa, yes.


We’ll talk about the march.

Kamel El-Cheikh (02:07):

Alright, so obviously I’m a businessman in Ottawa. I worked for the city of Ottawa as well. I was in management roles. So as city manager, former auditor, I was in activism all my life. That was for my philanthropy, being of economics, accounting background. I still have a passion to serve my community. I was part of a scholarship club for 15 years, granting scholarships from my company. We paid that to four students a year. But activism was part of my life. I just don’t like to see suffering of any sort. When people are asking for rights, if it’s a protest, whether it’s the Middle East wars, whether it’s just human rights in general where the government betrays the public with their rules, I’m usually there. If you Google me, you’ll probably see an old speech 10 years ago or 20 years ago. I got everybody’s attention now because with this 1 million people march, we managed to unite the nation, Dr. Ann.

Dr. Ann Gillies (03:19):

Yes. And so, you had this idea, how did that begin? How did the 1-million-person march for children? Actually, how was it conceived?

Kamel El-Cheikh (03:31):

Well, obviously I’ve always been fascinated by Martin Luther King Jr., and Malcolm X, and Nelson Mandela. These people are monumental people and they’ve all done the 1 million people march. But the idea in growing up, hearing about what they’ve done and stuff like that, I was always fascinated by the character of the courage and fighting for people’s civil liberties. And when I was going to these protests as early as June, we managed to go to 15 or 16 protests that brought Christians and Muslims together, Dr. Ann, and I saw that there was a need to protest. People did not find the words to articulate the hurt they’re feeling for their kids, the concerns for Canada’s future. And I said to them, guys, let’s calm down on some of the protests. How about we do, we come together from coast to coast and do a million people march together to unify the nation, unify Christians and Muslims together and bring all denominations in. Because it seems that kids are becoming a political item for the special interest groups for politicians as a political debate now. And it’s also become a target for the pride community and teachers. So, we’re going to say to Canada, the pride community, with all due respect, and the teachers, that only parents have the rights over their kids until they’re 18. And then after that kids decide where they want to go in terms of ideology or religion or lifestyles. That’s up to them. But until then, we’re going to trust Canada’s parents to parent Canada’s kids.

Dr. Ann Gillies (05:16):

Exactly. So now we’re getting to the heart of the why of the million person march, the Million March 4 Children, that this is all about standing up against some of, well, the ideology, and I would call it a religion because it has taken over the, and it’s the LGBT activists who have kind of captured our parliamentarians, the whole education system, and it goes way above all that. But we won’t get into all that today. But this is about protecting our children from an ideology that is physically damaging, it is mentally damaging, it damages them socially and it is deconstructing the family. And so, it’s damaging all of society.

Kamel El-Cheikh (06:10):

Absolutely. Dr. Ann, and what I say to this is obviously Muslims are relatively new to the dance, but they were watching idle by as fellow Canadians were protesting. Christians, other denominations, saying, Hey, this is bullying. And I think the pride community, and I’m not going to paint everybody with the same brush, that there are people in the pride community that don’t authorize this, and that’s fine and that’s fair. But what I’m saying is the pride community had a 40 year honeymoon where people did not want to offend. They were seeking, oh, you know what? You got to tolerate us. We need equal rights, equal marriage. They got that 10 years ago. What else are you looking for? Oh, you’re looking to take away our rights now. And that’s where we draw the line in the sand and we say hands off the kids. And there’s also heterosexual rights.


This is a free country. We agree to disagree, freely. That’s what Thomas Jefferson says. So that is the idea behind it. We’re going to be unapologetic, Dr. Ann. And what I mean by being unapologetic, just like you will strip in Toronto and wave your ornaments in front of kids while being aroused and showing, and this is sexual assault by the way. Yes. Sexual harassment and parents are bringing kids there. They should be ashamed of themselves for virtue signaling because when I was a kid, Dr. Ann, and I’m sure when you were a kid, all you cared about is playing on the play structure, drinking from the backyard hose, and playing a little marble, maybe some dolls and stuff like that. You didn’t care for sexual orientation or sex of any nature. But what we do know in Canada and in the world is sex is consent between two consenting adults. How is a kid consenting to all this stuff? And so, what we’re saying is we’re going to draw a line in the sand and we’re going to be unapologetic about it, and we’re going to talk about parents’ rights and kids’ rights. They trump everybody else’s rights.

Dr. Ann Gillies (08:14):

That’s right. They should trump everyone else’s rights. There’s been such a shifting in sexual mores across the whole nation and across the whole world, the developed world, over the last four years. And I’ve been actually watching it and researching that for the last 30 years. And what you’re saying is absolutely true. And I know from my perspective, just getting people, the general public to listen, even when some of them were like, well, yeah, well, but let’s just not rock the boat. But they couldn’t understand where it was taking them and where it was taking the country. And when someone is more of a visionary and can see that and has done lots of research and can actually look back and go, wow, yeah, we knew that was going to happen. I still would say I would never have expected the whole sex education and the transgender phenomenon to explode as it has in the last three years.


It has just literally taken us on such a damaging road and so damaged. Absolutely. Children. Very reckless. Yes. And I think what you said is it’s all about leaving our kids alone, hands off our kids, because our children are our most precious, precious possession, if you want to call it possession. But the children belong to their parents until they are 18 and the schools won’t listen to us. They haven’t listened to us in probably two decades. Now, I’m not saying every principal, or every teacher has been closed off to what we’re saying. There are a few, but that they themselves are so indoctrinated by this activist agenda and they are so threatened with their jobs, their livelihoods, even against their own good conscience. They have made choices to stay in this system and teach our children horrendous sexual practices and deviancy, and they use and utilize.


Many of these teachers are utilizing pornographic material and teaching young children. Yesterday, I don’t know if you saw this because I know you just flew back to Canada, but in British Columbia, one teacher sent homework home with a four-year-old, a junior kindergarten child. And the homework was to find a place in their house that they were just to do this very discreetly without their parent knowing. I saw that. I just saw that this morning. I lost my mind. And they were to find this secret place in their house where they could privately go to, and I’ll say this out loud, masturbate. This is, that’s disgusting. It’s past disgusting. Honestly. I am so angry. If we do not get angry at this kind of behavior, what will we ever get angry with? And I’m not talking about lashing out, I’m not talking about violence.

Kamel El-Cheikh (11:52):

No, this is a peaceful protest. This is being stern in your convictions, and you have the right to be stern, Dr. Ann. I mean, you’re a doctor, you’ve written books about this. I mean, that’s the peaceful way to protest. And now I consider you a sister of mine, and we’re fellow Canadians under the Canadian flag, one nation under God, as I always say. So, you know what? We have the right to be angry. We have the right to be frustrated and disgruntled, and we certainly have the right to be feel betrayed because the government, the pride, community and special interest groups, and the media have all failed us and they betrayed us. Let’s just call a spade a spade. Now, is every member of the pride community doing that? Probably not. But they’re the organization that are pushing for these things and they’re courting governments all the time. They’re courting teachers too. Let’s hold people responsible. Of course, there needs to be a peaceful approach to all of this because we maintain peaceful approaches all the time. But idea meritocracy is using radical truth to get to a desired equilibrium. And sometimes you have to be bluntly honest. Dr. Jordan Peterson says it best, he says, in sharing your opinion and engaging in discourse, you have to risk being offensive at times. Now you got to be pleasant and compassionate. But at times it does give that offensive tone, which we try obviously to clarify when engaging in that discourse.

Dr. Ann Gillies (13:39):

That’s right. And I mean, people choose to take offense. One thing that I’ve said for many years, it is kind and loving to tell the truth. And if we don’t tell the truth, that’s on us and it will be reflected in our children’s trust toward us.

Kamel El-Cheikh (14:02):


Dr. Ann Gillies (14:03):

When we are in this public education system telling children lies like a boy can be a girl, a girl can be a boy, these are

Kamel El-Cheikh (14:13):


Dr. Ann Gillies (14:13):

Lie, you can change your secondary sex characteristics, but you can never ever be the other sex. And we have lied to children.

Kamel El-Cheikh (14:26):

Yes. And again, what goes on in a transsexual’s mind, gender dysphoria is in that person’s mind. And obviously as a society, we’re compassionate, we’re accommodating, but we’re certainly not going to play the game that’s going on in your mind. I’m telling you, as a Muslim Canadian, you being a Christian Canadian, or Jewish or whatever you are, you reserve the right to believe in one male and one female. Just like I have to respect what’s going on in your mind and be compassionate. You must respect what goes on in my mind and in my belief, and I’m unapologetic about that, Dr. Ann.

Dr. Ann Gillies (15:03):

I’m really happy to hear that because that’s exactly what we need. We need to be able to have freedom of religion.

Kamel El-Cheikh (15:12):


Dr. Ann Gillies (15:13):

And freedom of speech, which of course is so compromised in Canada right now. I want to ask you, Kamel, tell me about the march. It’s Wednesday, September 20th, it’s only four days away. And give us an update on what’s happening. And also, after that, tell me what your expectations for this march really are.

Kamel El-Cheikh (15:40):

Oh wow. So, what’s happening in the march? The march is gaining momentum every second of every day, which means that it’s getting bigger and bigger because Canadians identify with it because it’s a march that is nonpartisan. When you look at the march, Dr. Ann, you’re supposed to see the Canadian flag, the beaver tails, the Terry Fox, the Gabrielle *inaudible*, and Emily Stowe who got the woman’s vote and the right to vote in Canada. You should see Armand Bombardier who invented the snowmobile. The march should be something that every Canadian identifies with regardless of their belief. So that’s why it’s attracted Canadians from coast to coast. Every city and every province of this country is coming down and they’re coming down in waves. Now, there are people saying, I called for a 1 million people march. And our staff, our volunteers, our leaders are working around the clock religiously.


And as you can see, you’ve seen some of the groups yourself, Dr. Ann, you can see how busy and organized chaos it is. That’s because we’re trying to accommodate the plethora of people that are embracing this march. And every day you’ll see an organization embracing it because they identify with it. What is the expectation of the march? You asked? The expectation is the first thing we want to do is we want to celebrate Canadians of all colors and creeds. Canada is not a Canada without the white Canadians. It certainly is not a Canada without the black and the Middle Eastern Canadians, the Muslims, the Christians, the Jews, the Buddhists, the First Nations. So, we’re going to celebrate that that day. And I think if it is at a Canada Day where we sing Oh Canada together, you’re going to see speakers of all walks. You might see priests talking, you might see Imams talking, and you’re also going to see government officials and politicians walking in the march.


They are not allowed to speak at the podium. We want them to listen this time. And we want them to feel the pressure of Canadians telling them, you should be ashamed of yourself for clapping, for Bill C-4 and voting for it unanimously. We want politicians to listen in to this march. We will celebrate politicians of any party, regardless of their party, for standing by Canadians and families and standing by kids. But we want ’em to go back and go to their parties and revisit the platforms that they’re standing for. They betrayed Canadian families, they betrayed kids. What we’re looking to do that day, the expectation is the march is uniting Canadians. And after that, we got a five-year, 10 year and a 20 plus year plan. We’re bringing Canadians together. We’ve asked for a national dialogue between Christians and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists to come together to address these challenges, so we don’t face this oppression again,

Dr. Ann Gillies (18:53):

This is so marvelous. I mean, I have to say, Kamel, this whole movement, since it began, has just brought such a warmth in my spirit because for years I’ve advocated for parents to please stand up for your children, please speak out against the atrocities happening. And they’ve just been too afraid. Too afraid. And what’s happening now is that what it takes is a few of us, a few of us to join together as an advisory and then all over Canada, courage breeds courage. Right?

Kamel El-Cheikh (19:39):


Dr. Ann Gillies (19:41):

And when the individuals can see what’s happening, they’re like, oh my goodness. I wanted to do something for years, but I just haven’t been able to and because of different reasons. And so now we have parents and citizens all over Canada sending us messages and saying, where’s the march in my town? Where’s the march in my city? And how can I help with this? It’s just been phenomenal.

Kamel El-Cheikh (20:12):

It’s a beautiful problem to have, isn’t it, Dr. Ann?

Dr. Ann Gillies (20:16):

You said it’s organized chaos. I’m not sure how organized the chaos is. We’ll know at the end of the day on the 20th. But I mean, the reality is people are going to come from all walks of life and join together on behalf of their children and grandchildren for the ability to have classical education, not indoctrination, but true education. And if this education system across Canada, I know it’s provincial, but our prime minister seems to have a lot to do with it and

Kamel El-Cheikh (20:56):


Dr. Ann Gillies (21:00):

Sorry, Kamel, go ahead.

Kamel El-Cheikh (21:02):

Yeah, sorry. No, I’m just saying he’s putting pressure on the provinces. He’s put 1.5 billion dollars in eight years to the pride community. He’s showed up to drag queen races. He’s not, again, the prime minister can live the way he likes, but when Canadians are barely living on meals and paying for their mortgage and there’s homelessness galore throughout the country, where are your priorities? You are supposed to be leading all of Canada, and I’m sorry, we’re going to be loud and clear and we’re going to tell you, you’re doing a terrible job and you’re not Canada’s prime minister, although you’re taking that position.

Dr. Ann Gillies (21:42):

Well, you said something just right at the first there, that prime ministers can live the life they like. You know, Kamel, there was a time in Canada where that wasn’t true. We had expectations of our politicians. We had an expectation that our prime minister would be moral, would be just, would be kind. Absolutely. There is a pseudo-kindness to our prime minister, but it’s just skin deep. Let me tell you. There is a whole other level there that’s very scary, I think. But we had expectations of how our politicians would act and how they would behave. And we expected a certain level of morality. And what we have seen with this prime minister is an embracing of every kind of immoral behavior imaginable. And I mean, some people will take offense when I say that it’s immoral behavior. Well, let me tell you, drag queens performing in our classrooms is an immoral event. There is no way.

Kamel El-Cheikh (22:45):

It’s a violation on civil liberties. It’s sexual, it’s pedophilia and it’s child pornography. Let’s call a spade a spade. If a gay man wants to dress in his skirt and strip to another gay man, they can do it in the adult bars where 18 plus happens in the country. There’s enough of those. Go to the strip joints. You do what you want. I disagree with it, don’t get me wrong, but you do what you want. This is a free society. But don’t you inflict and compel me to live your lifestyle because I am a man of morals. You are certainly a woman of morals. And you said something really nice about Canada’s politicians and prime ministers. We’re going to change the fabric of who kind of runs this country. They need to be people of morals. They need to be God-fearing of the Abrahamic faiths or they’re good Buddhists, or whatever they are. They need to have a strong moral compass. This turning the other cheek on partygoers, let’s face it, Justin Trudeau is the son of an ex-prime minister. He lived a lavish lifestyle. He does what he wants whenever he wants and doesn’t care what everybody thinks. And this is unacceptable. It’s incredibly narcissistic and incredibly insulting.

Dr. Ann Gillies (24:04):

It’s actually very insulting to most Canadians. I mean, there’s a handful that really like him, I guess. But I think we need to really take a good evaluation of what our expectations are as Canadians. And it’s about time that we had higher expectations for those in any kind of leadership and that they would lead with a good character. I mean, whoever is leading. And so when we talk, you said something there about pedophiles, and I just wanted to go back a bit because I think this is really important for people to understand about the L G B T Q activists and pedophilia. Now, I said activist, and I want to make this very clear. It’s not only, pedophilia is in every area of life as far as whether it’s heterosexual or homosexual or transsexual. In fact, transsexuals are the biggest target right now for pedophiles.


And we need to understand that this education system, and one of the reasons we need to be angry at what’s going on and how our children are being sexualized is because it’s actually opening the door for them to be vulnerable, extremely vulnerable to pedophiles. And it’s almost like this plan that pedophilia becomes an orientation. And I’ve talked about this in other podcasts that actually that is a big plan with the academic societies and particularly with psychologists and psychiatrists, the APA. So this is not just a pie in the sky. This is Oh yeah, you’re way out there. No, this is the reality. And if we don’t do this, and I’ve said this to Bahira, your friend, that this particular day, Wednesday, September 20th, 2023 is a pivotal moment in Canada. We have to see, we to come together to change what is happening, to change the very trajectory of Canadian education and maybe down the road policy and political involvement.

Kamel El-Cheikh (26:36):

Absolutely. And again, they’re trying to normalize that. We said hold up. We put the brakes on. And I’m not going to use the term minor attracted persons. I’m going to call it pedophiles. Don’t make something a pleasantry. Pedophiles can deal with Canada’s inmates and Canada’s jails. That’s where they belong. I’m sorry. And I’m going to be unapologetic about that too. Now, if you want to go see a psychologist and get some help, I will obviously support you and you want to fix that mental disorder or whatever it is. But it is a disorder and it is a threat to our kids. And as a parent, and you being a parent, Dr. Ann, and Canada’s parents, we’re going to have zero tolerance for that.

Dr. Ann Gillies (27:24):

Yes, there are laws in Canada about public nudity and sex in public places. And you had mentioned something about the gays in gay bars. Go back to their gay bars. Yes, whatever. But we need to have some policies. The laws that are already in the books, they need to be adhered to. And we need to stand firm as parents. Parents are virtue signaling to all this stuff, and they’re putting their children at risk. And when you were talking about the pride parade and homosexuals who were sexually aroused, naked, sexually aroused when children, I mean, there’s pictures of this when children are walking past them. It just makes me cringe because they’re pedophiles.

Kamel El-Cheikh (28:28):

We’re watching sexual harassment publicly, and it’s celebrated by Canada’s politicians. And all of them should be ashamed of themselves, and we’re going to hold them accountable. And I’m going to be very, very blunt about that. Obviously, we’re going to give politicians a chance to fix this. I don’t care what party they are, that’s why we’re nonpartisan. This is unacceptable.

Dr. Ann Gillies (28:54):

Yes. And I want to make it clear that not all homosexuals are pedophiles. That’s not what I was saying about the Pride Parade. But the picture, in this picture, it is obviously obvious that this man is aroused by the child.

Kamel El-Cheikh (29:09):

Well, did you see what else happened in that festival? You’re calling this a kid’s festival, a Canadian festival, and something we should be proud of. Tell me what, which should make us proud. I don’t care. I’m not going to paint everybody with the same brush. I keep saying this in all my interviews, in my speeches. Okay. Tell me, what should we be proud of? When a pride man or a woman or whatever is carrying a penis super-soaker and squirting water on kids’ faces, tell me what is the significance of that? And in Ottawa, there were sexual toys used as darts on a dart board. And I don’t want to go specific because I’d have to wash my mouth afterwards.

Dr. Ann Gillies (29:53):

Well, and all of those are depictions of sexual activities within the homosexual society, the culture, and why are we allowing that? And most Canadians are oblivious to those kinds of things. And I hope they all stay oblivious at some level because you don’t want to know what goes on.

Kamel El-Cheikh (30:14):

They will be. And Wednesday, September 20th, 2023, at 9:00 AM from coast to coast, Dr. Ann, the nation’s going to watch Canada’s moms and dads and children celebrate together and confront oppression without fear. That’s what they’re going to do.

Dr. Ann Gillies (30:34):

Yes. Well, I just really want to thank you, Kamel, for all you have done. This has been a labor of love for sure, getting this together, bringing us all together and speaking the truth together. This is what we are all about, and that’s what I’m about. Telling the truth is loving and kind, and we want to continue to tell the truth. So, thank you very much for joining me today, and we’ll see you in Ottawa. Thank you.

Kamel El-Cheikh (31:05):

Yes. I look forward to it, and I look forward to get a signed copy of your book. I’d like to buy one.

Dr. Ann Gillies (31:10):

Okay. I’ll have it for you.

Kamel El-Cheikh (31:13):

Thank you very much. God bless you, Dr. Ann.

Dr. Ann Gillies (31:19):

Thank you for joining us today with me and my friend Kamel El-Cheikh with handsoffourkids.ca. I invite you to check out my website, restoringthemosaic.ca, and to look at it very carefully. There’s lots of resources on it. It’s just been updated. It looks great. Also, check out my books because if you want to know more about why we are standing for our children, for the sake of our children and against the indoctrination that’s happening in our public education and higher – academics as well, then you’ll find some good information there. Thanks again.

Narrator (32:05):

You’ve been listening to Truth Talks with Dr. Ann. Thank you so much for joining us today. You can find Ann’s books, blog, and sign up for the newsletter by going to restoringthemosaic.ca.


Restoring the Mosaic seeks to strengthen Canadian national unity by educating and informing policy-makers, legislators, and educational leaders with clinical research that will assist them to establish programs and policies that allow individuals with crises in identity to recover wholeness.

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